It's much faster now, isn't it?

i dont think it made it much faster, but I have put a lot more work into my cache strategies local dev is definitely faster, the vite upgrade is nice

'cold start' used to take a couple of seconds for me usually, now it's near-instant. Like there's a lot of latency gone, or something.

that's true, the isolate cold boots could be between .5s and 3s, they seem consistently smaller now good call! i do think i'm in less global regions now though, but maybe you're closer to one of the new ones?

You're on pretty much every website and conference stage, so global deployments seem unaffected.

this is unfortunate, did they lower their limits in the move? I think they migrated from isolates to containers/VMs so that would check out

Well farts.. guess I’m paying for the next tier

upgraded

Interesting! Is there anything publicly known about why they moved away from isolates? Seemed like that would give them better economics, and without they’re a hosting provider like any other?

They haven't published anything about "why we moved away from isolates", but they are happy to talk about the better Node compat, database support, and new CI/sandbox stuff that moving to VMs enables.

plus I think maintaining a whole second runtime for their cloud platform, and keeping it secure, just takes more engineering effort than they were willing to spend. unless you have Cloudflare's infra/scale/commitment I don't think building a platform like this on top of isolates is really viable.

I had assumed they had organized the Deno codebase in a way that they can easily build the standalone binary and the isolates from the same core codebase. But perhaps that’s not possible for some reason?

kinda, there's a pretty clean internal split between Deno core + cli + the various Web/Node APIs, Deno is implemented much nicer internally than Node or Bun. but ultimately a runtime company with a cloud platform that's only 95% compatible with their runtime doesn't make much sense.

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